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Why do Portuguese just trash their own cuntry ?

Can you guarantee that the rubbish comes from portuguese, just because you see it in Lisbon???

Yes, rubbish is a problem in this city today. The mayor has done something to solve the problem, but it's not enough.

But I can tell you this:

The city was much, but much cleaner a few years ago, and before:

- this wave of immigration that has devastated the city. And here I could mention citizens from certain countries and continents (who have these habits where they live) but I won't mention them here, so as not to hurt feelings. You'll easily know who I mean....

- this wave of tourists, many of them groups of young people, who come to this country to get drunk at parties such as bachelor parties. This kind of tourism should stop, not tomorrow, but yesterday!

There will be local elections on 12 October this year....

@juliajonesjy

It's modern life, you should see the UK.

Even Austria is a tidy country. 2 tons of rubbish were collected from the motorways last year.

@juliajonesjy

It would be great if you could be a little more specific. Lisbon is a big city and not all parts of the city are dirty and full of rubbish lying in the street. But I am aware of many areas where excessive tagging, rubbish in the streets, the smell of urine and so on are "normal".

Overall I have the impression that Lisbon employs lots of cleaners, but I also see over-flowing rubbish bins, neglected buildings, and the like. The Lisbon Metro is old, but the stations look pretty good. Maybe the operator takes ownership? I lived in cities with lots of foreign visitors from all over the world which are much cleaner and better looked after. Maybe something could be learnt from them.

@juliajonesjy
Even Austria is a tidy country. 2 tons of rubbish were collected from the motorways last year. - @SimCityAT

That's how many kilograms per motorway kilometer? Does that include the rest areas? The result will tell you that Austria is very clean compared to many other places in Europe.

@juliajonesjy
Even Austria is a tidy country. 2 tons of rubbish were collected from the motorways last year.  - @SimCityAT
That's how many kilograms per motorway kilometer? Does that include the rest areas? The result will tell you that Austria is very clean compared to many other places in Europe.
- @TGCampo

Total collected for the year for all motorways. Which is still good. But the fact is that rubbish is left everywhere.

There are more and more tourists and immigrants everywhere. Lack of education, lack of rules, lack of care for locals and people prevails. Low-cost travel makes it easier and easier for people to travel everywhere, people who should be staying where they live, not bothering others and making a mess wherever they go... the young British tourists in Albufeira and Lisbon are a good example of this...

@JohnnyPT

Yes I can guarantee it. I live in a residential neighborhood far from all the tourists attractions and I can tell you they all speak their native language, Portuguese. I see them, the way they act and the way they just get drunk and leave all their trash behind, they are also quite loud and don't care about other people I often pick up after them because I like to live in a clean neighborhood and not feel disgusted every day when I walk around. Por plants, poor flowers and birds....There are trash cans and recycle bins a few meters away but they don't bother. I am just tired of having to do that. It's not that complicated to pick up your own trash and not leave it for others. It's just basic, respect for your surrounding areas.

There are more and more tourists and immigrants everywhere. Lack of education, lack of rules, lack of care for locals and people prevails. Low-cost travel makes it easier and easier for people to travel everywhere, people who should be staying where they live, not bothering others and making a mess wherever they go... the young British tourists in Albufeira and Lisbon are a good example of this... - @JohnnyPT

I think you only have a bad day. Tomorrow will be better, I hope.

Tourists and immigrants are what the Portuguese government (representing the Portuguese people) has identified as the main "industry" of the country. The plan is to increase the number of both over the coming years. The problem is that the government has not done their homework and prepared the Portuguese systems (infrastructure, SNS, IMTT, AIMA, social services, tourist police, and so on) for this. Who allowed ALs in the first place? They should have never become legal.

Tagging other people's property has become "normal" and nobody without money would be punished for that. Same with throwing rubbish or cigarette butts on the street. I think that the CMs of Portugal are doing what they can to keep the cities tidy, but a few individuals (not necessarily tourists and immigrants) can ruin things for all of us.

So maybe it is time at the next election to vote for a party that is more into law and order? Would it change a thing? No idea.

@TGCampo,

I can assure you that I haven't had a bad day, and I know what I'm talking about. Probably better than you, who have only known this reality for half a dozen years, and of which you are so keen to give opinions.

The public services you mention many times here have had a lot of problems, some of them due to various factors:

1. reduction of state employees, in order to reduce public spending
2. an uncontrolled influx of immigrants under the open-door policy of the previous government
3. many state employees moving to the private sector, with better pay and working conditions
4. these last few years have been post-pandemic times. Public services have been very badly affected, because there has been an increase in work, with a huge influx of new people, and at the same time a reduction in state employees, in order to improve the public debt/deficit ratio.

It seems to me that this new government is adopting the right policies, balancing the rise of the far right (25% of parliament) with a woke far left + socialists that still hasn't realised and doesn't want to realise the electoral collapse they had last May (all together no more than 30% of parliament). The centre right (government) has 35% and the liberals (10%).

@JohnnyPT

Well, 10/12th of a dozen, which is much more than many people writing about Portugal on this forum. I agree that being from the EU makes me blind to a whole spectrum of problems.

Public services have a lot of problems and I hope that those can be solved within a few years. But, Lisbon almost had a new airport for the past many years. Hope dies last, they say.

I tried to understand this problem through a private conversation with @juliajonesjy.

This is a gypsy / romani community that lives in a group of buildings located in a neighbourhood relatively close to Julie's house.

Houses that have been given to them almost free by the Portuguese state, with very low rents, often not even paid, in order to integrate them in the best possible way. With some difficulty, the children are being integrated into the school, despite their parents' resistance. Behaviours are also being modified and educated, but it's an extremely difficult task, which has been happening for the last 50 years. And despite these efforts, we have these kinds of reports...

This community, a minority ethnic group with nomadic origins from India, has spread to several countries. It's a problematic, almost unmanageable community. To talk in more detail about this community, and in a forum like this, is to go down a road that I don't want to follow, because I could easily stop being politically correct and not respect the forum's rules of conduct ...

@JohnnyPT

I totally understand. We can close this topic now.

Thanks,

Julia