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Hi bitmonet. Interesting ask as the shipping cost would be prohibitive. I have been in construction for near 50 years and for 40 of those years have owned aluminium extension and step ladders and was happy for the lighter tools and not having to treat and maintain their timber brothers.

When we moved here it was with a 20ft shipping container and one aluminium extension and 2 sets of聽 step ladders were packed in.

Once here we also purchased 2 full sets of scaffolding and not expensive.

Hope you have joy finishing your home.

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl

Thanks for the quick reply.I also thought about scaffolding.The cheapest I saw was on Lazada for around 50,000 PHP.The ones for 10-20 thousand are unusable, too small and without wheels.In Austria and Germany, 90% of ladders are made of wood. It is not just wood, but layers of thin wood glued together.They are very light and strong.I worked as a plasterboard installer for walls and ceilings. I also worked as a painter and wallpaperer.When I climb a ladder, I work on it for several hours and don't have to climb down because you can walk on these ladders.Actually, when you go to a construction company and have your first interview with the owner, he asks if you can walk on a ladder.Do you know any really professional building supply stores in the Philippines? It doesn't matter if it's in Manila or Cebu.

Best regards

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bitmonet said . . . .Hallo, I am posting this question on the forum because I no longer have the energy to search the internet for something as simple as where to buy a ladder in Cebu, Philippines, but not necessarily.I am considering buying a ladder in Europe and shipping it by plane or ship, which is madness.Of course, you can buy aluminium ladders here, but I am looking for a wooden one.I am a retired construction worker and I have used wooden ladders throughout my entire professional life.This year I'm flying to the Philippines and I want to finish my house. Paint it, wallpaper it, maybe put in suspended ceilings.I can work and walk on a wooden ladder by myself, and I have both hands free.I work on an aluminium ladder for maybe 1 metre and then I have to climb down, move it and climb back up again.I lose more energy climbing up and down than I do doing the actual work.Does anyone know where I can buy a ladder like this, because I can't find anything like it online in the Philippines? Best regards.

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I don't know how old you are but you mentioned you don't have the energy to search the internet. If you are a senior you may not have the energy for your task, many accident (falls) by seniors happen from ladders.

I would suggest hiring a Filipino with a ladder (or he could make one) to paint & wallpaper.

叠辞产-听 Maybe you have inadvertently given the O/P the solution - see if he can get one custom made in wood to his requirements.

@vehicross100

Thanks for the information. I'll keep trying.

@Enzyte Bob

Don't worry, I have plenty of energy and free time.I will not hire a painter because painting is the final stage of work on the construction site.This is my second home in the Philippines.The first one, built 8 years ago, is in need of a complete overhaul.I simply won't make that mistake again and won't trust local workers.

@Cherryann01

Yes, that's a good idea. Thanks.

The utility guys (linemen) often seem to use ladders made of bamboo, at least around Dumaguete - makes sense with no metal path to ground. And I know there is (or used to be) a large native furniture place off Gorordo Ave, across from the University of Philippines, perhaps they could make you one if they don't already have one in stock.

@pnwcyclist

Thanks for the suggestion.

In Cebu, there's a street I call "Bamboo St" that features several bamboo vendors that sell poles up to 24 ft long. It's actually in Tabunok, just south of the bridge, right after St Joseph's Church. They sell bamboo ladders as well but they look quite narrow. Many PH house painters use bamboo for scaffolding. Aluminum step ladders are everywhere at stores like Belmont, Wilcon, Atlantic, Cebu Home Builders, Citi Hardware, etc. You might find some wooden ones. I've owned all types of ladders in the U.S. 鈥� wooden and aluminum 鈥� and used everything from step, extension, and scaffolds to swing stages and cherry pickers. Not sure what "walking on a ladder is. Here in Cebu, I bought a 17 ft telescopic ladder off Amazon. It's great for quick jobs or getting on a roof but I'd never spend a long period of time on it.聽

That's what I mean.

Ha ha ha funny video, but now I understand... if you can do that you are a step ahead of me (pun intended) . There are a couple of large hardware stores in Cebu City that might have one of those.

@pnwcyclist

Maybe there is something like that in Cebu, but I doubt it. I haven't seen anything like that in any Philippine online shops. It's funny because it's not some kind of complicated, technically advanced device. I think I'll take projectplan and commission a carpentry company to do it.

@ bitmonet

Yep contract it out, don't go walking around on ladders. I never saw the method you showed in the clip, my building years long ago the plasterers and some electricians simply used stilts, adjustable to ceiling heights. More recently in the last 15 year are the telescopic applicators for stop up and finishing coat tools, telescopic orbital sanders, all walk safely on the floor. In my older years I simply employ contractors and care little their methods to make a good job. Labour is cheap here.

Cheers, Steve.

Yes Steve, at first look, it seems that the workers here are inexpensive. But that's an illusion.I have been a construction worker my entire professional life.I can't count how many times I was on the verge of a heart attack when I saw their work.Now, for example, I have to redo the concrete floor because the unevenness is 5-7 centimetres.I need to dismantle two glass sliding doors and one normal door, and raise the floor by 9 centimetres.130 square metres.Normally, about 10 people worked there every day.Believe me, two workers from my country will do more than those ten.And, of course, you have to buy them everything, literally everything. They do not have their own tools, not even the simplest ones.I don't want to see a Filipino worker in my house because I simply might not survive this experiment.I am an old man, but I will do it all myself.

Well bitmonet I do hear your pain and frustrations, had plenty myself here.

I disagree with your views on labour costs, personally found material as the biggest cost and don't worry we shopped it around.

Like you in construction since I was 15 and was a licensed plumber/gas fitter before I hit 20.

The trick for me was being on the ground every day for the 18 month build and I mean out with the guys every day pointing my finger and advising/correcting constantly. Sometimes down in the trenches with them. All good guys and hard workers and I'm sure they learnt heaps under my direction, a great learning experience for me as well as them.

Boots on the ground every day all day or mistakes and short cuts occur.

Good luck with your repairs.

Cheers, Steve.

@bitoment

I'm going to waffle on a bit here but I would ask you where can you get trades as follows:

Our electrician, nice guy and pretty competent, big build including the old main supply board (existing home) turned to a sub board, new 130 amp underground to new main board and an other sub board. Dozens of universal power points, at least 80 lights and 8 ceiling fans, remote garage roller doors and a 5 metre automatic gate, we supplied one of our labourers to help him or my better half would get is hands dirty now and then. That labourer is our full time caretaker for over 18 months now and a wise choice..... best thing since sliced bread, aside that electrician simply wanted P 700 per day,,,,,,, less than 20 bucks a day? I would not take on a contract/employment in Australia for less than AU 120.00 bucks an hour.

Our boiler maker/steel worker P 650 per day. Ben's brother.

2 lead masons P 600 per day each. Bens cousins.

5/6 labourers P 550 per day each. Most related to Ben.

Windows, doors tilers as quoted by external contractors..

Even though I'm a plumber we got a contractor, 3 bathrooms, white pipe chased into walls, trenches and lines to the existing septic some 60 ft away, new connection to existing kitchen and laundry, fit off etc. He supplied all the pipework, we supplied the fixtures and fittings, he did a great job and P 32K

My better half Ben, he went through many learning curves and experiences. His job?

Translator, bookkeeper, wages, material quotes, buying all the food for the workers snacks and their lunches, many times wiping their asses and sorting out issues, yes I paid him P500 per day and was my go to and went far beyond in so many levels.

The 7/8 workers that lived here through the build supplied and cooked their evening meal, lunches for the guys was a sh1t fight between them, they all wanted to cook as it took them off the labouring and some respite in their kitchen,,,,,,, they rotated the lunch cooking.

bitoment, here every day as the owner/construction manager/financier and many moons in the construction industry made for a good job to achieve what we wanted.

I see, hear so many expats complain their house has so many issues,,,,, most of the whingers were not in country or visited every month or 3. Unless you employ a highly recommended contractor that can follow plans, knows your expectations then you are wasting money upon money.

Being here and overseeing every day is or can be a hoot, would I do it again? Probably not but this is my retirement and end days.

As said sorry for the waffle but labour astutely chosen is cheap and I will never be convinced otherwise.

Cheers, Steve.

You are absolutely right, Steve. The most important thing is to find a good employee, a professional. Unfortunately, in the village where my wife comes from and where we have our home, this is impossible. I am not denying that these people work hard. In this climate, it is really difficult. I am talking about their efficiency, accuracy and something that in Europe could be called professional pride.I have no choice but to accept reality. For my own mental health.

Cheers,bitmonet.

As I say bitmonet, boots on the ground ground every day, not from afar or every week or 4, ask those souls that have been there, I'm sure you have heard all the self inflicted stories, third world employees you get what you pay for from a distance, on the ground every day there is a level of control of what is expected.

I like you, many hear the sad crappy build stories, witnessed and eyeballed horrendous mistakes in my area,,,,,, they were in Europe or some other far flung country and foolishly left their faith in a supposed builder and forked out later for major rectifications.

Personal opinion? Never build here unless you are onsite every day and guiding the sheep.

Cheers, Steve.

The work here is atrocious, I agree, but there's a general lack of professionalism to everything here. Everything is island speed and island quality. But not much different in California when you hire Mexicans who can't fix or do anything without damaging something else. That's the rule. You have to watch them every second. Here you have to inform Filipino painters that the paint goes on the wall or ceiling 鈥� not the floor, cement, stonework, railing, greenery, or anyplace it does not belong. And if they bring in a new helper, THEY must instruct him too. There's no excuse for stupid sh鈦勨��. As far as electricians and plumbers go, I honestly don't believe there are any true professionals here. Just dilettante amateur handymen that need cash. But with all that said, you still win some from the lack of professionalism. For example, one day two HOA landscape workers were cutting overgrown weeds along the street and offered to cut my lawn. I said no thanks, but I need some trees trimmed that were blocking ocean view on one side of the house, beyond my lot, beyond my control. How can this be done? I don't own the trees. They asked which ones and I showed them eight main trees that needed a 45% trim. They asked how much I pay, I asked how much do you want? They said 5K php. I said deal. They immediately climbed 50-60ft trees, no shoes, no rope, no power tools, in dense jungle on a steep slope, and cut more than I asked with 14" bolo knives. They literally risked their lives to split 5K ($87) because they needed quick cash. If this was a Calif HOA, it would take weeks of board meetings, votes, contracts, and cost me thousands. Those guys also helped me haul in and position massive hunks of driftwood for quick pocket money. I also scored similar deals with custom pottery, baskets, and bamboo furniture. I stopped complaining because I wanted this island life and I got it, flaws and all. I stopped complaining about everything except how they drive ...

Back to the ladder. Does it have to be wood? There are aluminum ones on Lazada by searching "walking ladder". I personally have never seen anyone use one, but it looks like fun if it doesn't damage floors.

Thank you, jozica, for your suggestion.I found this walking ladder on Lazada and I will definitely try it out.I always carefully protect the floor and am not afraid of damage.As for the chaotic improvisation of the workers, I agree that it also has positive aspects.

Cheers

@Enzyte Bob Don't worry, I have plenty of energy and free time.I will not hire a painter because painting is the final stage of work on the construction site.This is my second home in the Philippines.The first one, built 8 years ago, is in need of a complete overhaul.I simply won't make that mistake again and won't trust local workers. - @bitmonet

I agree bitmonet. Don't trust the local construction workers and contractors. If you were to use them I'd recommend you be there and supervise every single day. Their concept of quality work is different.

Yes, it's sad.

@Enzyte Bob Don't worry, I have plenty of energy and free time.I will not hire a painter because painting is the final stage of work on the construction site.This is my second home in the Philippines.The first one, built 8 years ago, is in need of a complete overhaul.I simply won't make that mistake again and won't trust local workers. - @bitmonet
I agree bitmonet. Don't trust the local construction workers and contractors. If you were to use them I'd recommend you be there and supervise every single day. Their concept of quality work is different. - @Jackson4

It will help to be present as much as practical during construction but unless you are a builder, you will not know everything. First, bring in an engineer for critical constructions such as design of columns and second, the most important employee will be your foreman. Check him out with local engineers or architects. In your locality they will recognize the names of the good ones.

@Enzyte Bob Don't worry, I have plenty of energy and free time.I will not hire a painter because painting is the final stage of work on the construction site.This is my second home in the Philippines.The first one, built 8 years ago, is in need of a complete overhaul.I simply won't make that mistake again and won't trust local workers. - @bitmonet I agree bitmonet. Don't trust the local construction workers and contractors. If you were to use them I'd recommend you be there and supervise every single day. Their concept of quality work is different. - @Jackson4It will help to be present as much as practical during construction but unless you are a builder, you will not know everything. First, bring in an engineer for critical constructions such as design of columns and second, the most important employee will be your foreman. Check him out with local engineers or architects. In your locality they will recognize the names of the good ones. - @danfinn

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I checked the comments on that house in the link. It appears the cause was a magnitude 6.8 (I assume Richter scale) November 17, 2023. The earthquake has an epicenter located 28 kilometers southwest of Sarangani, Davao Occidental, and has an estimated depth of 63 kilometers. It said the location of the house is Barangay Sapu Padidu, Malapatan, Saranggani Province, Philippines.

I checked the comments on that house in the link. It appears the cause was a magnitude 6.8 (I assume Richter scale) November 17, 2023. The earthquake has an epicenter located 28 kilometers southwest of Sarangani, Davao Occidental, and has an estimated depth of 63 kilometers. It said the location of the house is Barangay Sapu Padidu, Malapatan, Saranggani Province, Philippines. - @Jackson4

Right and that is why there are building codes here that specify minimum construction requirements and size for columns. The engineers here can design them for the foreman and the foreman must be intelligent enough and motivated to follow the plans exactly (regarding sizes, rebar thicknesses and shapes, column width etc.). These designs assume we are in an earthquake environment and columns today should easily be able to withstand 6.9. I live聽 at the house and watched them build the 2 story extension and spoke to the engineer who knew the foreman and confirmed that he was capable to do the job right. But sometimes you will see homes without any columns (usually single story) so, in addition to staying engaged, it is essential to get an engineer involved and to have a competent foreman.