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@Fred

They look like the Asian version of the west's paid agitators.

@Fred
They look like the Asian version of the west's paid agitators. - @Aidan in HCMC

There goes an interesting thought. A good number of people outside Indonesia want the president out of the picture, but his popularity rating here is all but total.

@Fred

A good number of people outside Indonesia want the president out of the picture

That includes me Fred.

What we are seeing is a retrograde step back in time.

Plus ca change

@Fred A good number of people outside Indonesia want the president out of the pictureThat includes me Fred. What we are seeing is a retrograde step back in time. Plus ca change - @Lotus Eater

Just had a change. and around 80% of Indonesians support him.

To remove him would require removing democracy

@Fred

To remove him would require removing democracy

And what if he removes democracy like his late dictator father in law Suharto (who he admired) did?

@Fred
To remove him would require removing democracy
And what if he removes democracy like his late dictator father in law Suharto (who he admired) did? - @Lotus Eater

Assuming your goal is to preserve democracy, you would either have to kill 80% of the Indonesian population, or remove democracy.

Both seem a little excessive.

And what if he removes democracy like his late dictator father in law Suharto (who he admired) did? - @Lotus Eater

Oh, and you might like to check your history teacher's degree. I believe it might have been free with a box of cornflakes. 🤣

Hello,

my name is Sita Brothers,  am a naturalized American, originally from Indonesia.  Came back to Indonesia,after decades living in Europe and America, to be near my family.  Right now living in malingping, a small village in South West Java, just 100 meter from the Indian Ocean, where I have the view of the ocean every morning at breakfast. Glad to find this site.

@sitbrothers

Welcome back to a beautiful country Sita. Like the USA we sometimes have to endure leaders who do not necessarily have the interests of their homeland at heart..

@sitbrothersWelcome back to a beautiful country Sita. Like the USA we sometimes have to endure leaders who do not necessarily have the interests of their homeland at heart.. - @Lotus Eater

How do you know he does not?